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Old 08 October 2013, 09:53 PM
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Comment: Head Start programs have been shuttered, small businesses can’t
get loans and hundreds of thousands of federal government employees are
furloughed. But the exclusive gyms available only to members of Congress
have remained open throughout the shutdown. Is this true
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Old 08 October 2013, 10:26 PM
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Comment: Is it true that the shutdown denies death benefits to families of
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Old 09 October 2013, 12:08 PM
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Comment: Is it true that the shutdown denies death benefits to families of
fallen soldiers?
ABC News is claiming 17 families have not received checks from the Gov't(but a private group is providing a grant until the shutdown ends)

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...ring-shutdown/


And the gym is still open.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...ring-shutdown/
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Old 11 October 2013, 05:07 PM
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Comment: From a friend!

I have worked in the government on and off for 38 years. During that time
I became quite familiar with requisitions, bidding, awarding contracts
etc. It is a time consuming process with bean-counters and pencil-necked
bureaucrats every step of the way. The simplest request takes months not
days or hours.

In less than 8 hours of the shutdown, "miraculously", professionally
printed 3X4 foot signs appeared all over the country in the tens of
thousands saying- “this [park, facility, etc. with custom logos] closed
due to government shutdown.

There has not been a government shutdown in 17 years. These signs were
designed, specifications were determined, signs were then requisitioned,
bids were posted and vetted, government contracts were awarded. The
materials were then ordered and the signs manufactured then distributed by
U.S. Mail or freight companies.
This shutdown was orchestrated and planned well in advance at least 6-8
months ago.

Millions of tax dollars were appropriated and spent in this process.
There is a paper trail a mile long leading directly to the White House.
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Old 11 October 2013, 05:24 PM
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The response is so fast, it is almost like the government has some sort of printing office.

And the only signs I saw on a Google image search could have been put together in a matter of minutes and emailed out via pdf in seconds.

ETA: And most of the signs looked like they were printed on an office printer as they were about 8 1/2 x 11 in size. Only one was poster-sized.
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Comment: Are open and closed face sandwiches regulated by different
agencies of the US government?

"Speaking of sandwiches, open-faced meat-filled sandwiches are kept in
check by the USDA whereas closed-face meat-filled sandwiches are handled
by the FDA."

http://qz.com/133901/shutdown-imperi...be-open-faced/
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Old 12 October 2013, 06:08 AM
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Comment: Article on the Capitalism Institute.org reads:

Unreal: Yellowstone Tourists Locked in Hotel by Armed Federal Agents.

http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/police-state-park/
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Old 12 October 2013, 02:30 PM
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ETA: And most of the signs looked like they were printed on an office printer as they were about 8 1/2 x 11 in size. Only one was poster-sized.
Park Service and Forest Service both have hundreds of big (and very expensive) plotter printers. We normally use them to print maps, but they can print posters just as easily. The bigger one in my office can do 42 inches by however long it needs to be.

We usually have some old poster boards laying around - they already have stuff on them, but it is a simple matter to glue a new poster on top of the old one.

And yes, they do look professional. These federal agencies actually are staffed by professionals, you know.
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Comment: This seems like a variant of what the Queen did when Australia
had a government shutdown when they couldn't agree on a budget. She fired
the entire parliament and prime minister and immediately called new
elections, before anyone had time to spend millions on campaign
commercials.

is this true?
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Old 14 October 2013, 03:28 AM
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Well, it wasn't the Queen, it was the Governor General, who is the Australian Head of State. The sacking of the government was actually before the Government ran out of money, not after, which was a major source of contention. There was also plenty of time for campaigning for a new government before the elections.

Otherwise it is not entirely dissimilar in that budget bills were blocked by political parties opposing the government for political reasons.

In Australia however it was seen to be such an embrassment that "blocking supply", as we call it, is acknowledged to be an action that should be reserved for only the most extreme circumstances.

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FTR, plenty of people in the US are embarrassed, and angry. The few people insisting on this shutdown, however, were elected from districts with a concentration of voters who support such action. It doesn't matter to them if 90% of the rest of the country strongly opposes such action.
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Comment: Are open and closed face sandwiches regulated by different agencies of the US government?
Yes.
GAO Report: The Federal Food Safety Inspection System: Dangerous to Your Health?
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Old 15 October 2013, 05:27 PM
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Comment: Here are a couple of summaries from people...

"The day before the shutdown, the Republican leadership changed the Rules
that govern procedures in the House so that *only* the Majority Leader
(Republican Eric Cantor) or their designee could bring up the spending
bill that passed the Senate. Without that rule change, any member of the
house would have been able to do so. And the rule change was specifically
targeted at the "clean" spending bill that passed the Senate."

"The TL;DR version -- the day before the start of a government shutdown,
the House changed rules allowing any member of the house to be able to
call for an end to the shutdown and placed that power solely in the hands
of the Speaker of the House."

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Comment: Did the US House of Representatives pass a resolution just before
the shutdown happened preventing anyone but the house speaker from forcing
a vote to reopen the government?

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Comment: Did this really happen? Did the GOP change the rules to benefit
only the Republican party. Is is "The Gop"s little rule change they
hoped you wouldn't notice?"

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Comment: Is it true that Republicans passed resolution, H. Res. 638, on
October 1, 2013? Normally an individual lawmaker would be able to force a
vote on a bill where there is a dispute between the House and the Senate.
But this resolution altered the rules to make that impossible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jd-iaYLO1A
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Old 15 October 2013, 07:34 PM
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http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th/...ution/368/text

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[Congressional Bills 113th Congress]
[From the U.S. Government Printing Office]
[H. Res. 368 Engrossed in House (EH)]

H. Res. 368

In the House of Representatives, U. S.,

October 1 (legislative day, September 30), 2013.
Resolved, That the House hereby (1) takes from the Speaker's table the joint
resolution (H.J. Res. 59) making continuing appropriations for fiscal year 2014,
and for other purposes, with the House amendment to the Senate amendment
thereto, (2) insists on its amendment, and (3) requests a conference with the
Senate thereon.
Sec. 2. Any motion pursuant to clause 4 of rule XXII relating to House
Joint Resolution 59 may be offered only by the Majority Leader or his designee.
Attest:

Clerk.
I saw this reported on Huff Po and if reading this correctly appears to be true
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