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Comment: Dear Snopes
Union Jack or Union Flag? I was born in 1964, and as a child of the Seventies, the national flag of my country (the UK) was universally known as the Union Jack. For example: "I won't wear the Union Jack", by Tracey Curtis (also a child of the Seventies). But then, some years later, some pedant wrote in to the BBC about a report in which mentioned the Union Jack, and claimed that the flag should only be referred to as the Union Jack when flown on a ship. Since then, all media has referred to the flag as the Union Flag, a name which no one uses in real life. From my brief investigation on the web (i.e. Wikipedia) it seems that the names Union Flag and Union Jack are interchangeable, and both are historically correct. However, the belief that the flag should only be referred to as the Union Jack when flown at sea is *a rumour*! In fact, the name Union Jack pre-dates the flying of the flag on the jack staff. |
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I'm on the side of the writer, I must admit - the "Flag not Jack" thing is the hallmark of a pedant, and when one looks in to these things, one often finds that the pedant is wrong. In general, a jack is a naval flag, but I don't think that pedantry in the face of common usage is particularly productive.
I have no evidence beyond that, but there was an article about our revised citizenship test for immigrants on the BBC a few weeks ago, with samples of typical new multiple choice questions: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21234254 Quote:
That question is worded to avoid the issue, though, because there isn't an official answer as far as I know. We don't have an official National Anthem, either... Last edited by Richard W; 12 February 2013 at 07:20 PM. |
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It seems the default is to call it the Union Flag, but a debate in Parliment regarding where it was okay to fly it called it a Union Jack even when flown on land. The Flag Institute (which is linked to from the UK governments culture site) says it has been called the Union Jack on land and sea for a long time.
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Indeed, from your Flag Institute link:
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What!? I thought sure it was "Roll Me Over (in the Clover)"
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It is worth pointing out that the Admiralty statement that Richard mentioned in his last post covered not only when flying the Union Flag/Jack from ships, but for any use. [See a fairly recent QI programme.]
This issue has been covered by letters and short articles in BBC History Magazine over the years. One article pointed out that the term Union Jack was first used in the 1640s (or about then) before either Great Britain or the United Kingdom had been created. James I of England/VI of Scotland had the flag created to show that he was the first king of England and Scotland - or the King of Great Britain as he termed himself. Anything to do with James I/VI's reign is referred to as Jacobean (furniture, architecture, theatre, etc) and it is thought that the word Jack could be a corruption of Jacobean. |
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I thought jack was used as a diminutive so the jack was a smaller flag.
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So the larger versions of the flag are called the Union John?
And I thought that was called a loo over there.
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Over here in Arizona? We just call them baņos.
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The Australian Flag Act (1953) sets in law the design for the Australian flag. It specifically says that "the Union Jack occupies the upper quarter next to the staff". So the British flag is enshrined in Australian law as the Union Jack.
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It's enshrined in Hawaiian law as:
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I said earlier that the term Union Jack may refer to a corruption of the word Jacobean referring to James I who had the flag created. I have found support for this on the official website of the UK Parliament:
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I thought Galtieri took the Union Jack...?
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Actually, the Union Jack/Flag was not flown from ships; instead they fly ensigns; with the Union flag design forming only a quarter of the flag (like the stars in the Stars and Stripes). The colour of the rest of the flag depends on who owns the ship; red cross with white in the other three quarters for Naval Vessels, Blue for other goverment/ naval reserve ships and Red for civilian vessels.
These are normally known as White, Red or Blue Ensigns (or Dusters amongst sailors), and there are also (rarely used) Jack versions of the Ensigns which are the same design but in square format. The Union Flag may be used in civilian vessels, or on Naval vessels in wartime (known as the Battle Ensign). |
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But what do vessels of the RN fly from the jackstaff (on the bow) when moored or at anchor? On commissioned USN ships we fly the national ensign from the mast underway and from the flag staff at the stern when in port, but we additionally fly the "traditional" (read: not really) first navy jack from the jack staff. Prior to 2002 the navy jack was just the 50 stars on a blue field as seen in the upper left corner of the US flag.
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And they fly the Union Jack from the jackstaff while in port: ETA: I saw that Mycroft said Royal Navy ships don't fly the Union Jack so I checked online and the Ministry of Defence have a document about flag rules on their website that says, "The Union Flag is to be worn as a Jack... during the hours laid down in Para 9136, by ships in harbour, at anchor, secured to a buoy or alongside, but not when in dock." Last edited by GaryM; 20 February 2013 at 12:22 PM. |
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