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Rachael Maddow has been doing a special on abortion clinics in the US for the last few nights on her show.
And I just want to know how the NFBSK these protesters aren't arrested. Seriously, they're engaging in a campaign to harass and threaten the people who work or attempt to engage the services of one of these clinics. Every time I see a crowd I want to drive an industrial combine through it. |
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I have escorted someone to a follow-up appointment at PP Clinic, and since it was a beautiful day, the protesters were there in droves. They were fairly mellow, and not nearly as verbal as I thought they'd be... But it was disconcerting all the same and I can't imagine how it felt for the person I was with.
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They run the gamut. Some just pray, some shout to small children going in with their mothers that they kill children in there.
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The one's I see most often in front of the hospital near me that does abortions are older men (as in been collecting a pension for a long long time) and all they do is march in front of the hospital holding signs. It must kill them that there's no real way for them to know who is going to the hospital for an abortion and who's just getting an x-ray or going to the eye clinic. Sucks to be them as they can't really get away with targeting anyone. It's too bad that a PP clinic seems to specialized that it allows them to assume that everyone's there for the same nefarious purpose
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Snarl.
I'm fairly libertarian and I'll support someone's right to their opinion even if it makes them an idiot. I'll support someone's right to voice their opinion, even if it makes them look like an idiot. But how in the bloody hell am I supposed to square my conscience with anti-choice protesters who actively and willfully cause emotional damage to people (most of whom, I think, are women)? Ugh. They are "protesting" the wrong places...they should be marching on sessions of state legislatures, not wounding women's spirits. Since they do choose to do the wrong thing, I assume that they're more interested in attempting to cause guilt for individuals rather than actually trying to change the law. I just. . .I can't even. . .It's only that. . .snarl. |
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I don't think they are interested in actually changing the law since for most people it's something seen as really difficult without having someone in power on your side doing it for you. I imagine overturning Roe vs Wade to be almost impossible to do which is why politicians try to water it down like they are.
Protesting at hospitals and imparting emotional grief is many many times easier and I think gets their jollies off more. |
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Because there's nothing libertarian about a group that wants to take someone else's freedom away via intimidation and fiat?
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I dunno.. I would think that while they may disapprove on principle (trying to limit others from exercising their rights through intimidation) the only real solution would be increased government powers and/or decreased legal freedoms (since in most cases this would fall under freedom of speech).
I agree (I think) with diddy that this is less about actually facilitating any real change and more about a power trip by loudly and aggressively presenting their holier-then-thou attitudes towards (comparatively) powerless people. |
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By themselves, the protests probably wouldn't amount to much.
But they're not the only thing that's being done. There's also the campaign of violence against the people who work at such clinics as well as a variety of legal obstructions that have been passed in different states- mandatory waiting periods (especially if there's a cutoff limit in the pregnancy after which point a woman isn't allowed to get a non emergency abortion), mandatory ultrasounds, the compliance law in Mississippi that is by design impossible for the state's one remaining clinic to actually get, there's a lot of different tactics that are being employed simultaneously and in an organized manner in order to erode away at the availability of legal abortion. |
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IME (I used to escort at a clinic in DC), they don't let that bother them at all. Even in the case of patients who aren't going for an abortion, they're still supporting an institution that provides them.
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I guess they save their bad behavior for protesting in front of the planned parenthood clinics (where no abortions are performed). It's too much to expect logic from them.
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A provider here in Dallas successfully managed to get an order requiring all protesters to stay at least 50 feet away from their building. The protesters tried to retaliate by everyone having a megaphone. Unfortunately for them, standing 50 feet away from the building put them close to a school, and the school filed noise complaints along with complaining about the well being of the children (elementary school) with all the shrieks of "BABYKILLERS!!!!" going on outside.
Now the only protester I ever see out there is a single elderly lady who sets up a chair and holds a sign. |
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It was recently upheld by an appeals court against First Amendment concerns. http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013...=all#aComments The First Amendment answers the question of why they're not arrested (provided they limit it to speech and not threats or violence). The incident in the OP (the "Happy Birthday . . . " song) is pretty outrageous but it's not illegal, without more. Thanks. Bill |
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I had to sit my MIL down one day years ago, and actually take her through everything PPH offered in the way of health care for both men and women, to finally break her out of the "abortion factory" mentality.
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I had a cousin's wife unfriend me because I pointed out, in respond to one of her many diatribes about PPH being an abortion factory, that it was my only source of healthcare in Northern New York when I lived there and that the clinic I went to didn't even do abortions because the local hospitals would not provide back up if something happened.
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http://www.ehow.com/facts_7452431_so...right-law.html Thanks. Bill |
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