G. Gordon Liddy: Obama Was Born in Kenya

[snopes]

The heroes at Politijab.com got their hands on the full court transcript of the October 5 hearing in Alan Keyes et al v. Barack Obama et al, the district court hearing for the “birther” lawsuit that’s progressed the furthest. There’s a lot here, but I liked this exchange between Orly Taitz and Judge David Carter.

http://washingtonindependent.com/642...aster-attorney

[ganzfeld]

Holy spit... I did not need to read that transcript. To me, it's almost like treason to bring these arguments challenging the US military command into court. This is almost as shocking to me as anything that's happened in the last decade. I want to laugh. I really do.

[Ravenhull]

Rut roh... one of the comments showed that we are part of the Liberal Agenda:

3. No Hawaiian hospital is willing to own up to Obama being born there. Meanwhile, Obama and his half-sister have claimed he was born at two different hospitals. When Obama finally decided he was born at one particular hospital, internet sites set about to "correct" their stories to reflect his unproven claims, including the left-wing website, Snopes.com.

Apparently, this AJX ROCKS has been a pain on the commenting boards already, shilling his site, NewsWithViews.com.

[snopes]

Obama and his half-sister have claimed he was born at two different hospitals

Actually, Barack Obama never "claimed he was born at two different hospitals." Early on in the campaign (long before Obama's birthplace was an issue), a number of secondary sources misreported which Honolulu hospital he was born in; when better information became available, most of them responsibly updated their information accordingly. But it was only those secondary sources that stated he was born at the "other" hospital, not Obama himself.

[Amigone201]

Originally Posted by snopes

Actually, Barack Obama never "claimed he was born at two different hospitals." Early on in the campaign (long before Obama's birthplace was an issue), a number of secondary sources misreported which Honolulu hospital he was born in; when better information became available, most of them responsibly updated their information accordingly. But it was only those secondary sources that stated he was born at the "other" hospital, not Obama himself.

Once again, we don't let facts get in the way of a good story. When you're a conspiracy theorist, you have to turn Occam's Razor inside-out. If there's any way to interpret what happened as some kind of giant, secretive coverup instead of a couple minor mistakes made by an overeager news media, default to the former.

[keokuk]

Originally Posted by snopes

Actually, Barack Obama never "claimed he was born at two different hospitals." Early on in the campaign (long before Obama's birthplace was an issue), a number of secondary sources misreported which Honolulu hospital he was born in; when better information became available, most of them responsibly updated their information accordingly. But it was only those secondary sources that stated he was born at the "other" hospital, not Obama himself.

My favorite moment in this confusion is that in Berg v. Obama, one of the eligibility lawsuits, a birther lawyer cited to Italian Wikipedia for support of the proposition that Obama's sister has claimed he was born at a different hospital.

[diddy]

Originally Posted by snopes

Early on in the campaign (long before Obama's birthplace was an issue), a number of secondary sources misreported which Honolulu hospital he was born in; when better information became available, most of them responsibly updated their information accordingly.

Outside of Obama, could the real hospital ever make an official statement on the matter? Not that it would convince anybody anyway, but I would imagine patient privacy/HIPPA would prevent that information from getting out unless it was from a third party (say the Obama’s neighbor).

[Steve Eisenberg]

Originally Posted by diddy

Outside of Obama, could the real hospital ever make an official statement on the matter? Not that it would convince anybody anyway, but I would imagine patient privacy/HIPPA would prevent that information from getting out unless it was from a third party (say the Obama’s neighbor).

Kapi'olani Medical Center does show on the web a letter from the President congratulating it on its centennial and noting that he was born there. See page 6 here.

Why doesn't the birth hospital proudly proclaim itself as the presidential birthplace on its web home page and put up a prominent Obama birthplace commeration plaque in the building lobby? I can think of several possibilities other than the impossible possibility that Barack Obama isn't Hawaii-born.

1. The hospital does not have records proving the accuracy of the President's understanding of which Honolulu hospital he was born in. They are downplaying this institutional point of pride in case there is a mistake.

2. The Obama plague is in preparation and will be dedicated at some future time.

3. They are downplaying the Obama link to avoid turning off Republican donors to the hospital.

4. The are downplaying the Obama link to avoid antagonizing birthers, some of whom might potentially create a security problem for the institution.

Birthers are already going after the hospital as it is. Why make it worse? My best guess is #4 above -- hospitals like to be known for the quality of their health care, and becoming a focus of birther anger would be an unwelcome distraction.

EDITED: What about a possible reason number 5 -- HIPPA outlaws repeating the President's statement that he was born there. IMHO, this is only possible if the hospital's lawyer is incompetent. There is no one who has standing to sue that would want to.

[Simply Madeline]

Originally Posted by Steve Eisenberg

2. The Obama plague is in preparation and will be dedicated at some future time.

Well, here's a new conspiracy theory.

[Dropbear]

Originally Posted by Steve Eisenberg

...
2. The Obama plague is in preparation...

Probably being spread through those 'vaccinations'.

Drop-who never mispeled a word in his life-bear

And spanked by SM.

[AnglRdr]

Originally Posted by Steve Eisenberg

1. The hospital does not have records proving the accuracy of the President's understanding of which Honolulu hospital he was born in. They are downplaying this institutional point of pride in case there is a mistake.

It is a HIPAA violation to release that information, so I think you're wrong here.

Also, hospitals don't keep records forever. Even when they are a part of a 47 year-long conspiracy to steal the White House.

[diddy]

Originally Posted by Steve Eisenberg

Kapi'olani Medical Center does show on the web a letter from the President congratulating it on its centennial and noting that he was born there. See page 6 here.
.

I wasn’t aware of said letter - Won’t convince the loonies of course, but it removes one aspect of HIPPA since Obama volunteered that info voluntarily. But it doesn’t look like it means much

Originally Posted by AnglRdr

It is a HIPAA violation to release that information, so I think you're wrong here.

Aaaaaannnnnd that covers the rest. Obama can say what he wants about being born at X hospital, but he has to specifically clear them to confirm it (assuming records still exist which I would imagine they could find some sort of confirmation for Obama).

From what it seems he hasn’t given the hospital confirmation to confirm his statement. Its about as useful as me claiming that I had my jaw wired shut for 2 weeks the last time I saw my dentist. I can claim that all I want and my dentist can’t say anything until I give him permission to.

(For the record, I have never had my jaw wired shut)

[fitz1980]

I saw some birther nonsense DEMANDING to know why the doctor who delivered President Obama hasn't spoken up. Surely he'd remember such an event as there weren't that many interracial babies born in 1961.

Putting aside Dr. Patient confidentiality; given that Obama was born 48 years ago and you'd assume that a doctor delivering babies would be at least over 30 years of age (48+30=78) why isn't some 80-100 year old man stepping forward and claiming to have delivered the future President? In a nation where even today the average life expectancy at birth is 75, why isn't some octogenarian stepping forward with that info? Can't imagine.

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by Simply Madeline

Well, here's a new conspiracy theory.

I have another one:

His real name is Barry O'Bama, and he was born in Limerick.

And this is why the late Sen. Ted Kennedy supported him with such determination.

It was all an Irish conspiracy to make the US Catholic, and replace the stars on the Flag with clover leaves.



Funny none of these "birthers" came with that one before. It's just as ridiculous as their rubbish, and they never fear ridicule.

[Simply Madeline]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2009/...8921257983328/

The Orange County Register reported Wednesday two people -- one man claiming to have a certified copy of Obama's Kenyan birth certificate and the other claiming to have been his homosexual lover -- provided U.S. District Court with affidavits saying Taitz asked them to lie in court to bolster her case. One said she asked him to lie about the alleged birth certificate, reportedly determined to be a fake, and the other said she wanted him to testify that members of Obama's church had been murdered.

[AnglRdr]

BHO is gay, too? Will the horrors never end?

[Canuckistan]

Originally Posted by AnglRdr

BHO is gay, too?

I remember seeing a link to that on her "website" over the summer. Next, she'll provide evidence that Obama's a woman!

[Ulkomaalainen]

About the (non existant) plaque: Is it that common that hospitals put up plaques of "Jonathan Fontleroy Lafontaine III, 95th deputy vice-president of the East Oahu Stamp Collectors Society, was born here on Oct 21st, 1433"? Even with more important people (say, e.g., presidents)?

Just wondering.

[diddy]

Originally Posted by Ulkomaalainen

About the (non existant) plaque: Is it that common that hospitals put up plaques of "Jonathan Fontleroy Lafontaine III, 95th deputy vice-president of the East Oahu Stamp Collectors Society, was born here on Oct 21st, 1433"? Even with more important people (say, e.g., presidents)?

Just wondering.

Probably not without express permission of the patient - HIPPA would surely not be happy.