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Old 07 March 2016, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by fitz1980 View Post
In this case the OP's article is talking about chattel slavery because that's what black people in America were subjected to.
This.
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The reason is that there is a whole revisionist history thing taking root about how the Irish in America just as bad. Just recently I saw one making the rounds on facebook about how the Irish in the US came here as slaves but today we don't look for a handout" or some such thing.

Here it is.

Thanks for sharing that. The author of the OP, Liam Hogan, has tracked the origin of that and similar memes in his article Debunking the imagery of the "Irish slaves" meme 14 September 2015. Here's the origin of that one.

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The meme below was shared by a Tea Party Leader in 2013. It accompanied her advice to African Americans to "move on" from slavery.

But this photograph is not from the U.S., nor does it depict "White Irish slaves."

Historian Matthew C. Reilly has done extensive research on the “poor white” community of Barbados. This photo was taken in Barbados in 1908, none of those pictured have Irish surnames, and these families appear to have both African and European ancestry.
He has thirteen other examples that he debunks. I also recommend Part Four where he debunks the claim in the meme above that indentured servitude was worse than chattel slavery.

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Originally Posted by ganzfeld View Post
The big claims here should not get drawn into a debate about what constitutes slavery. The Irish were never systematically treated as another race, period. Indentured servitude was not limited to the Irish (or white people as another version of these memes claims). Indentured servitude is not chattel slavery - being different in every aspect: scope, severity, violence, duration, legal status, racial motivation, long-term effects, etc, etc.
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People who don't know any better (and, many who really should) are unwitting reposting this spit without knowing (or, perhaps just as often not really caring) that they are part of this deliberate effort that is exactly akin to the whole Birth of a Nation era movements.
My biggest time waster for the past couple of days has been going through Mr. Hogan's tweets. Here he shows that novelist Anne Rice tweeted this meme and here he shows that the newspaper the Irish Examiner fell for the meme. So, unfortunately, people who aren't white supremacists have been spreading a racist meme. Fortunately, it look like Ms. Rice has deleted that tweet. So, some progress, at least.

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