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Old 08 June 2007, 10:47 PM
King_Crimson King_Crimson is offline
 
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It's a very old interpretation, it just doesn't make the same headlines as faithfreedom or MEMRI. I'm sure the Christian missionary sites know more about Islam than Muslims do, but I'll content myself to the interpretation I've come to from reading the Quran and Sunna and the interpretations of various Sheikhs.
Which sites are "christian missionary sites"?


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Muhammad said don't beat your wife.

...How does anyone of you beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel
and then he may embrace (sleep with) her?...
(Sahih
Al-Bukhari,op.cit., vol.8.hadith 68,pp.42-43).

No, this says don't beat your wife and sleep with her in the same day." It doesn't say Don't beat your wife.

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Originally Posted by Abu Dawood

Book 11, Number 2142:

Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.
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Originally Posted by Abu Dawood

Book 11, Number 2141:

Narrated Abdullah ibn AbuDhubab:

Iyas ibn Abdullah ibn AbuDhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) as saying: Do not beat Allah's handmaidens, but when Umar came to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them. Then many women came round the family of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) complaining against their husbands. So the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: Many women have gone round Muhammad's family complaining against their husbands. They are not the best among you.

There are just two examples. I have taken them straight from the Islamic texts. Please let me know if you'd like more (there are many).




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Originally Posted by andak01 View Post
d. True following of the sunnah is to follow the example of the
Prophet Muhammad (P), who NEVER RESORTED TO THAT MEASURE, regardless
of the circumstances.
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This is untrue. Muhammad his one of his own wives (Aisha) for disobeying his command:

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Originally Posted by "Sahih Muslim

Book 004, Number 2127:

Muhammad b. Qais said (to the people): Should I not narrate to you (a hadith of the Holy Prophet) on my authority and on the authority of my mother? We thought that he meant the mother who had given him birth. He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was 'A'isha who had narrated this: Should I not narrate to you about myself and about the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said: Yes. She said: When it was my turn for Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned. He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'A'isha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it. He said: Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He called me and he concealed it from you. I responded to his call, but I too concealed it from you (for he did not come to you), as you were not fully dressed. I thought that you had gone to sleep, and I did not like to awaken you, fearing that you may be frightened. He (Gabriel) said: Your Lord has commanded you to go to the inhabitants of Baqi' (to those lying in the graves) and beg pardon for them. I said: Messenger of Allah, how should I pray for them (How should I beg forgiveness for them)? He said: Say, Peace be upon the inhabitants of this city (graveyard) from among the Believers and the Muslims, and may Allah have mercy on those who have gone ahead of us, and those who come later on, and we shall, God willing, join you.
Will you accept the word of a website (although Pro-Islamic) that lies about its own texts?


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Muslim countries have the same need for women's shelters and the same issue with violence against women as that found elsewhere. Women's shelters and counciling are a relatively recent solution in the west and admittedly, the Middle East has a lot to do to catch up. However, the idea that Muslim men are typically wife beaters and Christians are not is not backed up by the facts.
I agree with you on this. However, when Muslims beat their wives, they can point to Quran 4:34 as a divine command to do so (beat them). Can Christians do the same? Also, in the West , hitting women is a crime; can you say the same for Muslim countries? What do they then do with Allah's word if they were to outlaw wife beating?


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This is a common issue that can be resolved in an interfaith way instead of demonizing and alienating Muslims unnecessarily.
How do you suggest we solve it? The Quran gives me the RIGHT to beat their wives. If they were to dismiss a part of the Quran, they would no longer be Muslims. After all, a Muslim is one who believes in Allah, Muhammad and what was revealed as unchanged and the perfect word of their deity.

Thanks

-KC
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