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Gutter Monkey 14 August 2008 05:30 AM

Bigfoot hunters find corpse, arrange press conference
 
Apologies if this is a repost, search came up with nothing.

There's reports that two Bigfoot hunters in Georgia have found a Bigfoot corpse in the woods. They've got it stuck in a freezer, will get it verified by science.

Press release:
http://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2...n-georgia.html

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ps/bigfoot.jpg

The corpse was apparently found in the state of Georgia on the East coast of the US, but the press release will be in California all the way over on the opposite side of the country. They'll also only be be presenting "DNA evidence and photo evidence" at the press conference and not the actual corpse.

Hmmm. Interesting. I went and read the press release at Tom 'the real Bigfoot Hunter' Biscardi's site http://www.searchingforbigfoot.com. It seems that Biscardi is the guy who initiated the press conference.

Biscardi wasn't actually involved in finding the corpse and there's no mention that he's been out to the site at all. The body was found by "Matthew Whitton (AKA Gary Parker) and Rick Dyer" (I guess "Gary Parker" is his secret Bigfoot hunter identity, to throw Bigfoot off his trail if he gets suspicious or something) who are the owners of http://www.bigfoottracker.com, "The Best Bigfoot Trackers In The World!"
These two guys regularly hold Bigfoot safaris, charging people $$$ to go out into the wilderness with them to hunt for Bigfoot. To quote from their site:

BIGFOOTTRACKER.COM WAS FOUNDED BY 2 WEEK END WARIORS FROM ATLANTA GEORGIA WHO SET OUT ON AN ADVENTURE IN 2005 TO GO CAMP IN THE MOUNTAINS OF NORTH GEORGIA. WHAT THEY THOUGHT WOULD BE A SIMPLE TRIP TO GET AWAY FROM THE BUSY STREETS OF ATLANTA TURNED INTO SOMETHING NO BODY EXPECTED

Sometime recently (they never say exactly when they did find it) these two 'professional' Bigfoot hunters stumbled allegedly stumbled across the corpse in the forest. How did they announce their discovery to the world? To quote from the press release:

A few weeks ago, Whitton and Dyer announced the finding of the body on the "Squatch Detective" radio show, an internet based radio show hosted by Steve Kulls. While on that show, the commentator asked Rick Dyer "Would you allow one of our people to come down and verify the body?" Dyer replied, "The only person we would allow to come down and verify the body was 'the real Bigfoot Hunter,' Tom Biscardi." The next day, the producer of the Squatch Detective show contacted Biscardi with pertinent information on how to contact Dyer and Whitton.

Yep, they announced it via podcast. Now if you'd dedicated the last three years of your life to tracking down Bigfoot, wouldn't you at some point asked yourself "Hey, what are we actually going to do if we catch the damn thing?" I would've asked myself that. Apparently these guys didn't.

Here's Whitton, Biscardi and Dyer in front of the freezer that holds the 'corpse':
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...hops/onice.jpg

Biscardi has called a press conference and is telling the entire world about it. How are Whitton and Dyer reacting?

ARE YOU READY FOR A NORTH GA EXPEDITION,WE WILL TAKE YOU CLOSE TO THE SIGHT WHERE THE BODY WAS FOUND,, ONLY $499
and
THREE PERSON MAX EXPEDITION IN N. GEORGIAWILL TAKE YOU TO THE SITE WHERE THE BODY WAS FOUND,2-3 DAYS $5000 THREE PEOPLE,,,YOUR DATES ,,YOUR TIMES.,.,,.CALL FOR INFO

Yep, they're asking for cash, as much as they can get as quickly as they can get it.

My guess is that Whitton and Dyer were making stuff up on the podcast and when the host asked them to back up their story by letting someone examine the corpse they said they'd only let Biscardi look at it. I'm guessing that Biscardi is the kinda guy who'll jump at any chance to bring proof of his life's obsession to the public and these two hicks knew they had a good chance of convincing him. The dummied up some fake Bigfoot corpse and stuck it in the spare freezer in their garage and somehow managed to convince Biscardi it was legit, and he then went running off to organise the media releases and whatnot. Whitton and Dyer, realising that this is all getting out of control and will all collapse in a heap very soon, are trying to squeeze a few extra thousand bucks out of their tours before the shit hits the fan.

Still not convinced? Here's another screen grab from their website:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ertainment.jpg
"for entertainment perposes only" :D

Someone found a Sasquatch costume for sale online that just happens to be pretty much exactly as tall as the 'corpse' that was apparently found.
http://thehorrordome.com/HDSHOPPINGP...uatchLARGE.htm

A side by side comparison:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...comparison.jpg

Uh, mystery solved ... ? They appear to be identical to me.

Even other Bigfoot organizations are quickly distancing themselves from these guys. The Bigfoot Field Researchers Organizaton is being quite vocal in denouncing this as a hoax.
http://www.bfro.net/hoax.asp
I checked youtube for the videos mentioned by the BFRO and here they are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRcKClMRz4I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMEsD3_J2DQ

Biscardi apparently couldn't wait for Friday's press conference and has already done an interview with Fox news.
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video0...402882,00.html
Here's a mirror on Liveleak:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=11c_1218654688

Whitton is on medical leave from the police force (apparently he accidentally shot himself in the arm whislt chasing a suspect, you can see the bandages in the photo posted earlier) and his police chief is less than impressed with his current antics.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/met...policeman.html
"His claims of finding Bigfoot is entirely a different matter," [Police Chief] Turner said. "Unfortunately, that's spilling over into his police life and that's where we have concerns. When he comes back from medical leave, we'll have to sit down and address those issues."

It will be verrrrrry interesting to see what photos and "DNA evidence" they exhibit at the press conference, if it happens. If it is an actual Bigfoot corpse then it should be verifiable pretty much immediately under proper examination by any reputable biologist, anthropologist, paleontologist or even a damn veterinarian or med school student. If they present an 'inconclusive' report or say that they need more time for proper scientific examinations then they're simply stalling for time and hoping that people channel more cash into their online Bigfoot merchandise stores.

E. Q. Taft 14 August 2008 07:28 AM

My immediate reaction was, "Georgia?" Admittedly, I've never gone out of my way to learn much about Bigfoot, but I had thought that he was believed to reside in the Pacific Northwest -- Washington, British Columbia, up that way. Had no idea there were sightings in the South.

Cyrano 14 August 2008 09:02 AM

Did they first check if by chance, some nerd in a wookie suit has disappeared from a nearby Star Wars convention?

Richard W 14 August 2008 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gutter Monkey (Post 710402)
They'll also only be be presenting "DNA evidence and photo evidence" at the press conference and not the actual corpse.

Well, that pretty much discredits them straight away, doesn't it? If you've solid proof of that kind, what possible reason could there be for not presenting it?

It's like the people who claim to have discovered perpetual motion - they never actually present their findings, just ask people for "investment money" in return for being allowed to see the thing. At least those people have the vague excuse that "somebody might steal their intellectual property" if they published the results (haven't they heard of patents?), whereas I can see no reason at all that would prevent this lot from showing their evidence if they had it.

kitap 14 August 2008 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E. Q. Taft (Post 710464)
My immediate reaction was, "Georgia?" Admittedly, I've never gone out of my way to learn much about Bigfoot, but I had thought that he was believed to reside in the Pacific Northwest -- Washington, British Columbia, up that way. Had no idea there were sightings in the South.

There have been a lot of sightings in the Southeast and up into the Carolinas. Even the Midwest has sightings. I think Hawaii must be the only state which has had no sightings.

Mr. Billion 14 August 2008 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kitap (Post 710516)
There have been a lot of sightings in the Southeast and up into the Carolinas. Even the Midwest has sightings. I think Hawaii must be the only state which has had no sightings.

Sort of. Even they have their own version, though.

Quote:

Bizarre Encounters in Wahiawa, Hawaii
And more on Aikanaka, the giant of the pineapple fields.

Source: University of Hawaii -Manoa Student Folklore Project, 1973
Informants: Haole male, 35-years-old; Japanese-American female, 35-years-old

Rob Carlson was a "military brat" who grew up at Schofield Barracks, graduated from Leilehua High School and attended the University of Hawai'i. In a personal story that he recorded in 1973, he described his own encounters with a Hawaiian "bigfoot."

[snip]

An 8-foot tall man was walking down the trail, heading right for them. He was naked except for a cloth around his waist.

"I tell you, he was coming right for us! So we turned and ran back to the river. As he stumbled down the side of the embankment, a giant woman stepped out from behind a tree. She must have been at least seven feet tall!
:D

I guess it's kind of like the same situation with the lake monsters. Because there's no intuitive way that the Bigfoot creature could get from mainland U.S. to Hawaii, Hawaii has to have a different but similar creature, just as the Loch Ness Monster can't make it to Canada so Canada has an Ogopogo instead.

Tweetilynn 14 August 2008 03:06 PM

Isn't Biscardi the fellow who has tried to dupe the public with bigfoot stuff before? I think everything he has presented as proof so far has been proven a hoax.

TESS 14 August 2008 05:55 PM

I'm more excited about the Chupacabra. Did anyone watch that video? Probably just a coyote with mange but a girl can dream.

Dalek Sec 14 August 2008 06:21 PM

I really hope this isn't just another stupid viral marketing scam. Those things are really getting annoying.

Ali Infree 14 August 2008 06:42 PM

Quote:

I really hope this isn't just another stupid viral marketing scam. Those things are really getting annoying.
Count your blessings, no one is asking you to vote for the corpse for public office. Recently, a Bigfoot expedition was held in West Virginia, finding nothing. Apparently there have been past sightings, whatever that really means.

Quote:

There have been a lot of sightings in the Southeast and up into the Carolinas. Even the Midwest has sightings.
OTOH, in West Virginia, he would have had a voter's registration card in in cold dead fingers.

Ali "even the dead can vote here" Infree

:lol: protecting the voting rights of the non-breathing since 1863.

guruwan2b 14 August 2008 08:18 PM

I had to google bigfoot to see what was going on. I found this report with a different sighting on Fox:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,307020,00.html

I giggled at the last paragraph:
"There is no question it is a bear with a severe case of mange," Feaser told The Bradford Era.

Gutter Monkey 14 August 2008 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tweetilynn (Post 710678)
Isn't Biscardi the fellow who has tried to dupe the public with bigfoot stuff before? I think everything he has presented as proof so far has been proven a hoax.

Yep, and the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organizaton are quite happy to tell everyone who'll listen all about it.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigfoot Field Researchers Organizaton
Biscardi had previously perpetrated a bigfoot body hoax in 2005 on George Noory's "Coast to Coast AM" radio talk show -- which is broadcast in the middle of the night across the whole country (and Canada) and has an audience of roughly 15 million people. Many, many people who work the graveyard shift of lonely jobs listen to George Noory's nightly AM radio talk show about all things paranormal.

During this radio hoax Biscardi claimed to have a bigfoot body. He held the Coast-to-Coast radio audience in suspense for a few nights, offering updates on "his team's" progress with a bigfoot body, all while encouraging the audience to subscribe (for $14.95 per month) to his remote web cam, where they might possibly spot another bigfoot at a location in Northern California ... In other words, it was a scam.

Talk show host George Noory eventually smelled the hoax and demanded that Biscardi show his evidence or come clean. Then Biscardi confessed, on the radio, that there was no bigfoot body. His excuses fell on deaf ears. Noory was fuming and he demanded that Biscardi refund all the money to all the people who signed up for the web cam service.

http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/thread....readid=1900226

Here's what the radio station themselves have to say about it:
Quote:

Originally Posted by AM Coast to Coast
First hour guest, Tom Biscardi offered an explanation and apology related to his earlier claims (made on Friday's show) that he had a Bigfoot in captivity. He now says he was misled by an acquaintance of his colleague, Peggy Marx. The acquaintance, who lives in Stagecoach, Nevada, had told them of an injured Bigfoot that was being cared for by two veterinarians. As the details of her story began to unravel, Biscardi said he eventually concluded that her reports were false.

George Noory asked Biscardi if he would refund people's money who signed up for his Internet streaming service after Friday's announcement that video of Bigfoot was forthcoming and he said he'd consider that. George suggested that people could also contact their credit card companies about disputing the charges if they had signed up for his service after Friday's show.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2005/08/23.html

Gutter Monkey 15 August 2008 01:58 AM

It's on CNN.com now, which I guess makes it "official" news or something.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/08/14...ody/index.html



Scientific American weighs in:

http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second-...eme-2008-08-14

Macheath 15 August 2008 08:29 PM

The press conference is painful to listen to. "We've contacted lots of respected scientists. I, uh, don't know any of their names . . . "

Mack da Knife

JoeBentley 15 August 2008 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dalek Sec (Post 710923)
I really hope this isn't just another stupid viral marketing scam. Those things are really getting annoying.

Thank you. Did I miss a meeting where we all decided hoaxes were okay as long as they were advertising something?

Hoaxes and advertising are evil enough on their own, let's not mix 'em.

Singing in the Drizzle 16 August 2008 12:33 AM

Quote:

"The only person we would allow to come down and verify the body was 'the Real Bigfoot Hunter,' Tom Biscardi," Dyer said, referring to Searching for Bigfoot's CEO, who has been looking for the elusive, legendary creature in the United States and Canada since 1971.
First I saw the picture thought it looks like a dressed up costume. Then I read the first part of this paragraph and was 99.99999999% sure it is a hoax.

Gutter Monkey 16 August 2008 12:41 AM

The new photos:

Photo of one of the other Bigfoots walking off into the forest:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...hchops/bf2.jpg

CLoseup of the corpse's teeth and tongue:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...hchops/bf3.jpg

Some photos from the press conference:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...hchops/bf1.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...hchops/bf5.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...hchops/bf4.jpg

Another amazing Bigfoot sighting!
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...hchops/bf6.jpg

Video of the press conference here:
http://www.king5.com/video/index.html?nvid=273241

It was a complete farce. :rolleyes:

bobs 16 August 2008 10:39 AM

Wish I could be surprised. Although it does surprise me how people expect to get away with such hoaxes in these days of DNA testing and the like.

Bonnie 16 August 2008 03:30 PM

There's something weird about the first photo in Gutter Monkey's post and it's not the lurking figure in the trees.

If it's claimed that's a photo of a Bigfoot in the back woods of north Georgia, the location doesn't appear that isolated. The "horizon" behind the trees hints at a cleared roadside or, actually, the top of a fence or the rooftop of a building. (In fact, to me that looks like a fence or the side of an industrial-type building.) It's not a mountain bald, because the vegetation just isn't right. (At least, this doesn't look right for a mountainous location based on my experiences in the Blue Ridge/Smokies in the far western North Carolina panhandle.) Perhaps the Georgia Snopes contingent could comment, but that setting looks like regular old woods to me rather than deep forest at a higher altitude. In fact, it appears that the photographer is shooting into the woods from a clearing of some sort, so that stretch of trees isn't that deep.

How isolated are Georgia Bigfoots anyway that they're walking in mumble-foot-deep stretches of plain old woods along roadsides or in the back of strip malls? One would think they'd be spotted hanging out at dumpsters or rest stops or something.

-- Bonnie

AnglRdr 16 August 2008 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonnie (Post 713076)
There's something weird about the first photo in Gutter Monkey's post and it's not the lurking figure in the trees.

All I know is if I am out hunting for Bigfoot, I am going to bring something a little more potent than the camera on my cell phone.

Quote:

The "horizon" behind the trees hints at a cleared roadside or, actually, the top of a fence or the rooftop of a building. (In fact, to me that looks like a fence or the side of an industrial-type building.)
I was thinking one of those sound barriers they put up to separate interstates from subdivisions.

Quote:

How isolated are Georgia Bigfoots anyway that they're walking in mumble-foot-deep stretches of plain old woods along roadsides or in the back of strip malls? One would think they'd be spotted hanging out at dumpsters or rest stops or something.

-- Bonnie
Soon they'll be popping up at Starbucks having lattes with Elvis.


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