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snopes 17 July 2008 11:09 PM

"We are no longer a Christian nation"
 
Comment: Please send this on to your friends, spend time each day
in prayer for our country, and get out and vote in November.

Dear Friends,

As I was listening to a news program last night, I watched in horror as
Barack Obama made the statement with pride. . ."we are no longer a
Christian nation; we are now a nation of Christians, Jews, Muslims,
Buddhists, . . . As with so many other statements I've heard him (and
his wife) make, I never thought I'd see the day that I'd hear something
like that from a presidential candidate in this nation. To think our
forefathers fought and died for the right for our nation to be a
Christian nation -- and to have this man say with pride that we are no
longer that. How far this nation has come from what our founding
fathers intended it to be.

I hope that each of you will do what I'm doing now--send your concerns,
written simply and sincerely, to the Christians on your email list.
With God's help, and He is still in control of this nation and all else, we
can show this man and the world in November that we are, indeed, still a
Christian nation!

Please pray for our nation!

James G 17 July 2008 11:18 PM

A video with a similar quote:

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/20...bama-says.html

There's more here:

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/204016.aspx

But I can't get the video on this page to play.

ETA: This is another one of those cases where his opponents look on in horror when I'm tempted to clap. I once saw an entire list of concepts that Obama supported, read through them, nodding with each one, before realising that the person who compiled the list had intended it to be critical.

EETA: Oh dear me, I hadn't noticed the commentary on that blog. Are people realy that crazy?

Tootsie Plunkette 17 July 2008 11:38 PM

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Please pray for our nation!
I'm not a praying person, but if I were I would pray that those who think that "we are now a nation of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists" is something bad, would become enlightened. Or go away. Or just shut up.

Em 18 July 2008 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Commenter (Post 681291)
How far this nation has come from what our founding fathers intended it to be.

The treaty of Tripoli, signed in 1797 and unanimously approved for ratification in the Senate, appears to disagree.
Quote:

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion...

Four Kitties 18 July 2008 12:57 AM

I have a problem with the "no longer" part of the statement, because it implies the US was a Christian nation at some time in the past, which it was not.

Four Kitties

Avril 18 July 2008 01:07 AM

Perhaps only in the sense that the colonies that threw off the British Crown were a part of the British Empire, which was, indeed, officially a Christian nation...

Avril

mags 18 July 2008 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by snopes (Post 681291)
To think our forefathers fought and died for the right for our nation to be a Christian nation

Yep, all that stuff in the first amendment was just to keep those heathen religions from gaining a foothold. The rest of you have just been reading it wrong. My spiritual leader told me it was in the Bible, so I know it must be true.

No, I'm not going to actually read the Constitution or Bible, what is wrong with you?

FullMetal 18 July 2008 01:29 AM

I applaud Obama for making that distinction. I'm sure a lot of people are relieved to be recognized by someone in that level. Bush never recognized the religions of anyone else. If you were muslim you were one of those no good terrorizers. never mentioning other religions, just christianity.

now comes someone who recognizes that the US is not a "christians only" club, but welcomes everyone. and this is a bad thing? it's not like he's forcing those nasty Buddhists to pray in your church or anything...

eta... the founding fathers didn't fight for the right to have a christian nation, IIRC it was something about taxation, and representation... not really very theological reasons...

snopes 18 July 2008 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Em (Post 681397)
The Treaty of Tripoli, signed in 1797 and unanimously approved for ratification in the Senate, appears to disagree.

http://www.tektonics.org/qt/tripoli.html

robbiev 18 July 2008 09:47 AM

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i will NOT stand for Obama wiping CHRISTIANITY off the map!!
i will NOT stand for Obama wiping ISRAEL off the map!!
i will NOT stand for Obama wiping AMERICA off the map!!
WOW!!!!!111! That Obama is one power son-of-a-gun!

Natalie 18 July 2008 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by snopes (Post 681291)
I never thought I'd see the day that I'd hear something
like that from a presidential candidate in this nation.

Then you, sir, are an idiot. Please take your toys and go whine at home. The other children are here to learn.

Dr. Winston O'Boogie 18 July 2008 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by robbiev (Post 681724)
Quote:

i will NOT stand for Obama wiping CHRISTIANITY off the map!!
i will NOT stand for Obama wiping ISRAEL off the map!!
i will NOT stand for Obama wiping AMERICA off the map!!
WOW!!!!!111! That Obama is one power son-of-a-gun!

Ya know, the Christians have been trying to convert the Jews for centuries. I would think the pCms would LOVE for Israel to be wiped off the map.

Grand Illusion 18 July 2008 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by James G (Post 681303)

In the above article, Obama is quoted as saying, "Whatever we once were, we're no longer just a Christian nation..." That statement in itself is not an evaluation of whether religious pluralism should exist; it just acknowledges that it exists. America was once a nation dominated by Christian thought because Europe itself was predominantly Christian. That is a historical fact. It is also factual that in recent decades, there has been a huge influx of immigrants in the Americas and Europe who practice religions other than Christianity.

ElectricBarbarella 18 July 2008 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Winston O'Boogie (Post 682070)
Ya know, the Christians have been trying to convert the Jews for centuries. I would think the pCms would LOVE for Israel to be wiped off the map.

This now makes perfect sense to me and helps me understand why so many republicans are pCm and pro-war... "when there's peace in the Middle East, the Anti-Christ has been elected, and we have one-world religion to rule us all; Jesus will return and take us all to Heaven. Armegeddon will happen and that can't be".

Or some such nonsense I was once told. Basically, the Jews were wrong, war has got to continue in the Middle East, peace can never happen; because when it does the Anti-Christ will rule and all hell will break loose. Which is why Israel can never be "wiped off" the map. It has to stay in permanent turmoil or "hell will reign on earth".

And yes, I am serious. I know several people who believe this.

Grand Illusion 18 July 2008 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Winston O'Boogie (Post 682070)
Ya know, the Christians have been trying to convert the Jews for centuries. I would think the pCms would LOVE for Israel to be wiped off the map.

Most conservative Christians I know, including the more radical ones, are staunch supporters of a sovereign Jewish state of Israel, and at times, make rather Zionistic statements.

kern 18 July 2008 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Grand Illusion (Post 682093)
Most conservative Christians I know, including the more radical ones, are staunch supporters of a sovereign Jewish state of Israel, and at times, make rather Zionistic statements.

Yep. It's kind of strange because if you look at fundies like Jack Chick, they believe that Israel's existence as a Jewish state is essential for their vision of the end-times scenario, but at the same time all Jews are going to hell if they don't accept Christ as their saviour. Chick has one tract where he attempts to show how historically, God has punished nations that have treated the Jews poorly and rewarded nations that have treated them well. Then he has another tract calling on Jews to accept Christ or burn in hell for eternity.

Catholicism is the only denomination I know of that does not believe Jews need to convert to Christianity to be saved.


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