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Psihala 24 September 2015 11:03 PM

4 killed as Ride The Ducks vehicle collides with charter bus
 
Four people were killed and twelve were in critical condition after a charter bus, a Ride The Ducks tour vehicle, and two smaller vehicles collided on the Aurora Bridge in Seattle Thursday morning.

http://www.king5.com/story/news/traf...ured/72746930/

Psihala 24 September 2015 11:07 PM

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The National Transportation Safety Board says it may investigate.
They aren't required to, but they are going to investigate:

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NTSB is sending a go-team to investigate today’s collision of an amphibious duck boat and motorcoach near Seattle, Wash.
~Psihala

Tootsie Plunkette 24 September 2015 11:50 PM

Initial reports from a couple witnesses, including one driver who was right behind the DUCK, seem to indicate a catastrophic mechanical failure with the left front wheel just before the crash.

jimmy101_again 25 September 2015 12:13 AM

So it seems like the NTSB is getting involved because the "Duck" is an odd vehicle/craft. One that really wasn't designed to be driven on modern public highways. There are a fair number of these things around and a review might be warranted.

GenYus234 25 September 2015 12:25 AM

Not necessarily, they get involved in fatal crashes of regular vehicles too, particularly when they are being used commercially.

Seaboe Muffinchucker 25 September 2015 03:17 PM

I suspect they're getting involved in part because that bridge has been an accident waiting to happen for a long, long time. It's 6 very narrow lanes wide, with no center barrier, and people never go the speed limit across it unless forced. My very first paid legal research assignment concerned the lack of a center divider on this bridge, thirty-odd years ago.

Although I understand the policy of the ducks is to cross it slightly under the speed limit, both because it's a very wide vehicle and to offer its passengers a good view. The bridge is hundreds of feet above the water.

This is the same bridge that used to be second only to the Golden Gate for suicides, where the bus driver was shot while driving in 1998, and it has a troll that lives under it.

Seaboe

Psihala 25 September 2015 05:04 PM

It could be any, or all, of the reasons stated above. The NTSB's mandate from Congress states, in part,

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The National Transportation Safety Board is an independent Federal agency charged by Congress with investigating every civil aviation accident the United States and significant accidents in other modes of transportation – railroad, highway, marine and pipeline.
It is up to the NTSB to determine what constitutes "significant accidents in other modes of transportation", but they'll investigate any accident they feel poses risks to public safety, be it commercial or private.

This will be the third or fourth accident involving a "Duck" that I can think of off the top of my head that they will have investigated over the years.

~Psihala

Seaboe Muffinchucker 25 September 2015 07:15 PM

This is from the Seattle Times. Semi-graphic photos included.

Seaboe

Singing in the Drizzle 25 September 2015 07:54 PM

I hate crossing that bridge, because people get rather rude with you if you drive the at the speed limit.

Psihala 26 September 2015 01:32 AM

The NTSB had their first of what sounds like at least two press briefings this afternoon - the next one is tomorrow.

It can be seen on the NTSB's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWw2gHTC1Qc

To their credit, rather than ask a bunch of questions they perhaps knew Member Weener couldn't answer, the reporters' questions centered more on why the NTSB was investigating this accident and what they will be doing rather than on the accident itself. That's probably just as well as the NTSB didn't have a lot of information yet - they'd been on-scene less than four hours, hadn't had their organizational meetings yet, and hadn't yet seen the vehicles.

~Psihala

Graham2001 28 September 2015 01:05 PM

Here are the second and third (Final) briefings:

(Second Briefing)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuDUEgGLs5w


(Final Briefing)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I8RlIGqtN4

Now the waiting begins.

Tootsie Plunkette 28 September 2015 08:27 PM

The owner of Seattle's Ride the Ducks, Brian Tracey, was for many years starting in 1986 one of the hosts of a local TV show, Evening Magazine.

Seaboe Muffinchucker 29 September 2015 03:25 PM

A fifth person has died, the Ducks have been shut down, and it appears they didn't do a piece of maintenance the national organization told them to, two years ago.

State Suspends Ride the Ducks Operations.

Seaboe

Psihala 16 November 2016 03:10 AM

NTSB finds probable cause of deadly Seattle duck boat crash
 
The National Transportation Safety Board ruled on Tuesday that the probable cause of the 2015 Ride the Ducks crash that killed five people and injured 69 was a mechanical failure and improper maintenance, as well as loopholes in federal oversight.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ntsb-fin...ck-boat-crash/

DrRocket 16 November 2016 04:20 AM

Wow. That bus was really torn up. :eek:

Lainie 16 November 2016 01:31 PM

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A lack of protections for the passengers, including seatbelts and “severely deformed” seats, contributed to the severity of the crash, NTSB Chairman Christopher Hart said.
I miss copy editing.

Phantom 16 November 2016 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmy101_again (Post 1888783)
So it seems like the NTSB is getting involved because the "Duck" is an odd vehicle/craft. One that really wasn't designed to be driven on modern public highways. There are a fair number of these things around and a review might be warranted.

Problems are happening in Boston too.
After 2nd duck boat crash this year, a renewed call for change

Bill calls for new rules for duck boats after fatal crash

Duck Boat Crashes Into Storrow Drive Overpass


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