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erwins 17 January 2013 10:18 PM

Unhijackable thread
 
Old one is full.

For those who are ukelele enthusiasts, I get a kick out of this uke cover:

"Baby Got Back"

The same guys also have a cover of "Bleeding Love" that is very pretty.

ETA: And because of watching those again, I found this, which is just incredible:

Jake Shimabukuro - "Bohemian Rhapsody"

Seaboe Muffinchucker 17 January 2013 11:09 PM

I know snopes doesn't like the threads to get too long (I think his upper limit is 1000 posts), but I was surprised to see he's closed the thread that only he can post in. Either it's working so well he doesn't need it any more, or his self-imposed limit is much smaller.

Seaboe

Chloe 17 January 2013 11:13 PM

That thread has always been closed.

Seaboe Muffinchucker 17 January 2013 11:15 PM

I guess I thought there was a difference between locked from other posters and closed, but come to think of it, that's a distinction without difference. Oops (and I almost typed with instead of without, too).

Seaboe

Aud 1 17 January 2013 11:41 PM

So does having a power of attorney mean you can take away the car of someone who is not supposed to be driving. My father has not been well. His body has gotten a bit better but he's still loopy. He has been wanting to get out of his house. My sister hid his keys but he found them and took himself for a drive to get duplicates made. Today the home health care aid arrived to him backing out of the driveway. He almost ran over her. She somehow talked him back inside. I looked around for a boot to immobilize his car but they aren't so easy to buy in his area. Turns out my sister does have a set of keys and is planning on taking his car back to her house this evening. She is a little concerned that he'll call the police on her when he realizes the car is gone. She is his legal power of attorney so we're not sure if that means it is okay.

The home health care aid quit her job because of him.

Avril 17 January 2013 11:46 PM

IANAL, but it usually depends on the specific paperwork signed for power of attorney. She may be able to sell the car, though, I think.

Morgaine 17 January 2013 11:53 PM

Could you just do something so the car wouldn't run? Loosen some wires or something.

Aud 1 17 January 2013 11:58 PM

My father is rather mechanically inclined. For all that he can't remember my kids' names I think he could still fix a loosened wire.

This has been a very frustrating day.

Chloe 18 January 2013 12:13 AM

Lockable gas cap.

erwins 18 January 2013 12:19 AM

She could probably do something more than loosening a wire that he couldn't fix without being able to drive--like taking the battery home with her.

Power of attorney allows you to act on behalf of a person. It wouldn't allow you to withhold a person's own property from them, I think. You'd need a conservatorship or something like that to do that, I think. (Note--not my area of expertise, not legal advice, she should consult a lawyer).

LizzyBean 18 January 2013 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Chloe (Post 1704476)
Lockable gas cap.

Only if you siphon all of the gas out first.

Avril 18 January 2013 12:22 AM

Taking the battery out would do the job, unless he has AAA or something.

Aud 1 18 January 2013 12:24 AM

Stealing the battery would be less of a crime than stealing the whole car.

Sue 18 January 2013 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aud 1 (Post 1704465)
So does having a power of attorney mean you can take away the car of someone who is not supposed to be driving.

Does the power of attorney mean she gets to talk to your father's doctor about him? I know my friend with an elderly mom has that kind of arrangement but am not sure if it's a power of attorney. Anyway if she does have that the best way to get the car key's out of your dad's hands might be to ask the doctor to intervene and get his licence withdrawn.

erwins 18 January 2013 12:37 AM

Yeah, that's a very good idea. Regardless of whether he has given permission for the doctor to disclose information about him to this person, she could alert the doctor that your father shouldn't be driving.

Of course, that also might not prevent him from driving, so looking into legal options for disabling or taking away the car is still a good idea.

Avril 18 January 2013 12:50 AM

There are a whole lot of different kinds of power of attorney. What you're describing, Sue, is probably medical power of attorney. If you have the kind of power of attorney that gives you authority over a person's assets, then selling the car (or removing the battery) wouldn't be considered stealing.

Aud 1 18 January 2013 01:08 AM

My sister does have control of our father's finances.

Tzarina 18 January 2013 01:14 AM

Through guardianship or power of attorney?

You would need to take a look at the POA document. Some terminate upon the development of mental or physical decline. Also, the POA can usually sign in the person's stead, but that doesn't necessarily mean they can make decisions like that for them. Even if signed with the POA, and with the POA giving the right to sell property, if your father does not wish for his property to be sold, he could still call it theft.

ETA: IANAL - but I spend a fair amount of time working with POA and trust docs.

Beachlife! 18 January 2013 01:20 AM

Why not sell the car?

erwins 18 January 2013 01:32 AM

I agree with Tzarina, as I mentioned above. PoA, as I understand it, can give you the power to act in a person's stead, essentially giving you the power to act alongside the person--but not to act against the person's wishes. If you want/need power to overrule their wishes, it needs to come from something other than a PoA.


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