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Psihala 17 November 2016 03:13 PM

British, Dutch WWII shipwrecks vanish from Pacific Ocean
 
Several World War II shipwrecks have vanished from the bottom of the Pacific Ocean, prompting the British and Dutch governments to seek answers.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/16/asia/i...ear/index.html

Seaboe Muffinchucker 17 November 2016 03:27 PM

They out and out state that another "missing" ship was scavenged. Why don't they just say that? Probably not a click-worthy enough headline.

Graves have been robbed since the beginning; so long as there's money to be made, someone will want to make it.

Seaboe

Don Enrico 18 November 2016 06:23 AM

But these are wrecks in the ocean. From what I read, scavenging them would be a task for several months, if not years, involving big high-sea crans as well as submarines and deep sea divers, and all of those have to be based somewhere. Nevertheless, from what I've read, Indonesian authorities claim to have no knowledge about such an operation.

I'm not claiming the ships where taken by aliens, but was it an operation by some big company, or were authorities involved, or did local divers may take pice by peice until nothing was left (as the BBC speculates)?

ganzfeld 18 November 2016 08:11 AM

It's extremely unlikely people managed to salvage thousands of tons of metal at that depth and distance from shore, leaving not a trace. The more prosaic explanation is that the people looking had the wrong locations. They were only discovered relatively recently so they aren't that easy to find in the first place.

dfresh 18 November 2016 01:54 PM

Or someone knows the Gamilons are coming, and turned them into the Yamato.

kitap 18 November 2016 02:02 PM

So... not Nazis who plan to use them after resurrecting Hitler?

Blatherskite 18 November 2016 02:18 PM

Has everybody checked under the sofa cushions for them? That's where most things seem to turn up.

dfresh 18 November 2016 02:38 PM

Not there, but I did find some delicious cheese puffs. Let me pull my other pants out of the laundry. They might be in the pockets.

GenYus234 18 November 2016 03:00 PM

They are probably the reason the junk drawer is jammed shut.

jimmy101_again 18 November 2016 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganzfeld (Post 1934435)
It's extremely unlikely people managed to salvage thousands of tons of metal at that depth and distance from shore, leaving not a trace. The more prosaic explanation is that the people looking had the wrong locations. They were only discovered relatively recently so they aren't that easy to find in the first place.

I think the possibility that they have the wrong location is extremely unlikely (but not impossible). Discovered in 2002 the ship's locations would have been pretty precisely recorded.

BoKu 18 November 2016 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy101_again (Post 1934503)
I think the possibility that they have the wrong location is extremely unlikely (but not impossible). Discovered in 2002 the ship's locations would have been pretty precisely recorded.

Yup. A couple years ago the steel boom in China drove the price of scrap steel sky high; these would have been very attractive targets for salvage.

Given their relatively remote location and relatively shallow depth, I think it would be fairly easy to execute a series of salvage operations while avoiding official attention. I'd guess they spent most of their early profits on improved salvaging gear, which they sold off as they came to the end of the operation. With a modicum of caution and a few greased palms I can see the whole thing going under the radar (or sonar).

Nick Theodorakis 19 November 2016 12:34 PM

Apparently there used to be a market for steel made before WWII although these days its value is overstated.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...-radioactivity

Nick


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