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snopes 12 November 2014 06:47 AM

Experts Debunk Claim Jesus Was a Husband and Father
 
Jesus married Mary Magdalene and fathered two children with her, according to a new book based on an ancient manuscript.

http://news.discovery.com/history/an...her-141111.htm

crocoduck_hunter 12 November 2014 08:03 PM

Given the utter lack of non-biblical evidence that Jesus existed (there aren't any sources that mention anything about him outside the Bible that appeared until after the Bible was written), any conclusions of what he did or didn't do in his life should really be regarded as fanfiction.

UEL 12 November 2014 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by crocoduck_hunter (Post 1849365)
...(there aren't any sources that mention anything about him outside the Bible that appeared until after the Bible was written)...

The texts of Josephus were contemporary to the ministries of Christs followers. And they appeared before the Pauline Epistles and the majority of the Gospels.

In fact, I recently read the book Zealot, and there are few scholars in the world that doubt the existence of Jesus Christ, the man. His divinity is the question that scholars debate.

crocoduck_hunter 12 November 2014 09:41 PM

Josephus didn't start writing until after the first Gospels were already written. He wasn't even born until after the alleged execution date for Jesus so he certainly couldn't have witnessed any of the events described in them.

UEL 12 November 2014 09:44 PM

You just repeated back to me what I said. What did I get wrong?

crocoduck_hunter 12 November 2014 10:51 PM

The issue is that there's nothing that he could have written about Jesus that he didn't get from the Gospels- his writings started long enough after the Gospels were written that they'd already been circulating for decades by that point. In other words, he's not a non-biblical source of information- that would require something that was written before any of the Gospels.

Lainie 12 November 2014 11:11 PM

If I'm understanding crocoduck_hunter correctly, he's not claiming that the lack of non-Biblical sources is reason to question the existence of Jesus the man, just that it's not sufficient reason to make any conclusions about what he did during his life.

ganzfeld 12 November 2014 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by UEL (Post 1849373)
His divinity is the question that scholars debate.

Huh?? What scholars are these?

crocoduck_hunter 13 November 2014 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Lainie (Post 1849388)
If I'm understanding crocoduck_hunter correctly, he's not claiming that the lack of non-Biblical sources is reason to question the existence of Jesus the man, just that it's not sufficient reason to make any conclusions about what he did during his life.

Yes. Especially when it's someone who's trying to prove something from a Dan Brown novel true.

rogue74656 02 January 2015 05:18 AM

Yet, there are some scholars that DO question the existence of Jesus of Nazareth as described in the New Testament.

http://www.amazon.com/Nailed-Christi.../dp/0557709911

http://www.amazon.com/On-Historicity...dp/1909697494/

http://www.amazon.com/there-was-Jesu...dp/1492234419/


(And there were other "Jesus"es, ie: preachers named Joshua during the 1st centuries BCE and CE that were hailed as messiahs...)

I recommend the first book on the list for those new to the subject.


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