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Sue 22 August 2015 03:56 PM

3 Americans, others praised for subduing gunman on train bound for France
 
The 26-year-old gunman who reportedly opened fire on a high-speed train from the Netherlands to France — before being overpowered by several passengers, including Americans being hailed as heroes — was said Saturday to have been on security watch lists in Belgium, Spain and France because of links to extremist organizations..

http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/...821-story.html

Little Pink Pill 22 August 2015 05:41 PM

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Throughout the brief but terrifying episode, Sadler said, “The gunman never said a word ... except to demand his gun back. 'Give me my gun, give me my gun,' he said."
For some reason this made me laugh. "Oh I'm sorry, was this yours? By all means, carry on then."

I also think subduing a terrorist and then pulling out your phone for a quick video is somehow fantastic. "Dude, I am so going to post this!"

crocoduck_hunter 22 August 2015 07:01 PM

The guy in the middle, Alek Skarlatos, is from the same town I live in.

Avril 22 August 2015 10:56 PM

Although there is clearly no logic of any worth in planning such an attack, I agree with Little Pink Pill--that's a highly illogical response when you are obviously not going to get your gun(s) back.

I wonder how this will play out on Fox News, given that they managed to do this without having weapons themselves. "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Or not."

crocoduck_hunter 22 August 2015 11:06 PM

They'll probably just gloss over that fact.

thorny locust 22 August 2015 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Avril (Post 1884353)
I wonder how this will play out on Fox News, given that they managed to do this without having weapons themselves. "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

I was thinking about that myself, though not specifically with reference to Fox.

One of the problems with that slogan is that it discourages people from trying to do anything if they don't have their own gun handy. Quite a few shooters and would-be shooters have in fact been stopped by one or more good guy(s) without a gun; which wouldn't have happened if they'd been convinced it was impossible.

(It's risky, of course; and I'm certainly not criticizing those who don't do anything. Nobody knows for sure how they'll react unless they're in the situation. But once there's somebody present with malice, a gun, and the willingness to use it, the situation's risky anyway.)

Little Pink Pill 23 August 2015 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by crocoduck_hunter (Post 1884356)
They'll probably just gloss over that fact.

They'll be too busy happily pointing out that the bad guy was able to get a weapon in spite of stricter gun laws.

crocoduck_hunter 23 August 2015 12:29 AM

And he was from a "Middle Eastern*" country.

*FOXNews geography.

Mouse 23 August 2015 01:23 AM

Regarding Fox News, I'm more thinking about how they'd have to acknowledge the heroic actions of not just Europeans, but of French people aka the most effete and European of the Europeans!

But they probably didn't have to much trouble with the French aspect during the Charlie Hebdo shooting. So maybe they will grudgingly admit to France not being a nation comprised of cheese-eating surrender monkeys if they can tie it to Muslim terrorists somehow.

crocoduck_hunter 23 August 2015 01:35 AM

They'll probably just blame France/the EU for having weak border security and start talking about how we need to build a wall to keep the Moroccans from entering the country.

GenYus234 23 August 2015 01:36 AM

They'll just ignore everyone who fought the gunman who wasn't America .

And LPP is dead on about the reaction.

Hapax Legomena 23 August 2015 02:15 AM

For some reason the first thing I thought of when I heard this story was "What, only Americans stepped up?", not because I think that no one else did, but because I wonder if this is just being spun as an "Americans save the day!" story here in the US. The earliest article I read stated that the gunman was confronted by a Frenchman before the three subdued him but he wasn't named and no other story I've seen since has mentioned it. I'm not saying it didn't go down like it's being reported and I suppose it wouldn't have been as newsworthy an article for a US audience had Americans not been as involved as they appear to have been, but even I get tired of the stories about Americans saving the world and I *live* here.

Sue 23 August 2015 02:34 AM

For what it's worth I've seen this story headed in a similar way in both the Canadian and the British media. The fact is it was 3 young Americans who stepped forward and stopped this guy and thank god for that. This story could have played out very, very differently :(.

Steve 23 August 2015 06:06 AM

http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2015/08/22/thalys-les-hommages-aux-heros-du-tra
 
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Originally Posted by Hapax Legomena (Post 1884377)
but even I get tired of the stories about Americans saving the world and I *live* here.

I'm not sure if this is a complaint about US media or the biggest humblebrag ever.

At any rate, no need to wonder if this is spin from the US media. We can just look up news from abroad. Here's Le Monde on the story:
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Ce sont trois jeunes américains, amis d’enfance, en vacances en Europe et qui rentreront aux Etats-Unis en « héros ».
Even if you don't know much French you can probably see that it's being reported there about the same as it's being reported here.

Here's the first article on The Guardian. And the BBC's website has a interview with a British passenger who tackled the terrorist. And in the interview he mentions two Americans jumping on the guy.

So I think we can safely say that the "Americans subdued the guy" part of the story isn't some concoction of the US media.

Dasla 23 August 2015 02:24 PM

Yeah it has been reported pretty much the same way here in Australia. Allowing for my my bad memory I watched the reports wondering if anyone else did anything and mainly hearing about the Americians.

Sue 23 August 2015 02:49 PM

Other people did help, and every article I've read says that, but the fact remains it was 3 young Americans who led the charge and tackled and subdued this maniac. Credit where credit is due shouldn't be an issue just because the good guys happened to be Americans!

TallGeekyGirl 23 August 2015 03:13 PM

QUOTE=Avril;1884353]I wonder how this will play out on Fox News[/QUOTE]

Probably something like this:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/MGQaH3-LK54" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

(NSFW for language)

Hapax Legomena 23 August 2015 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sue (Post 1884407)
Other people did help, and every article I've read says that, but the fact remains it was 3 young Americans who led the charge and tackled and subdued this maniac. Credit where credit is due shouldn't be an issue just because the good guys happened to be Americans!

Of course not. I was just wondering if it was possible others were involved but that the US version of events conveniently ignored them, and if this would have been a as much of a story in the US news had no one from the US been involved. Also, no, I wasn't "huimblebragging" but just commenting on my occasional dislike of US-centric media coverage. As I said, though, it's understandable that every country has it's own bias in how news is reported and stories about a country's own citizen are going to get more coverage in their country.

overyonder 23 August 2015 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hapax Legomena (Post 1884418)
just commenting on my occasional dislike of US-centric media coverage. As I said, though, it's understandable that every country has it's own bias in how news is reported and stories about a country's own citizen are going to get more coverage in their country.

Other countries are like that, too. Montreal (when I lived there) was very Montreal/Canadian-centric whenever something happened internationally.

OY

Avril 23 August 2015 05:08 PM

Most news outlets try to connect their stories to their audience. This can get comically ridiculous sometimes. I watched a clip once I can't find now lampooning Australia's Today Tonight for tying international stories to Australians with an extremely thin thread.

It's similar to how the local news will make a big deal about how some larger story has a "local man" involved. You can always find other stories online if this bothers you, though.


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