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E. Q. Taft 22 November 2017 10:27 PM

Man about to launch himself in his homemade rocket to prove the Earth is flat
 
Seeking to prove that a conspiracy of astronauts fabricated the shape of the Earth, a California man intends to launch himself 1,800 feet high on Saturday in a rocket he built from scrap metal.

Assuming the 500-mph, mile-long flight through the Mojave Desert does not kill him, Mike Hughes told the Associated Press, his journey into the atmosflat will mark the first phase of his ambitious flat-Earth space program.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.9b05fdefc610

WildaBeast 22 November 2017 10:36 PM

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"I don't believe in science," said Hughes, whose main sponsor for the rocket is Research Flat Earth. "I know about aerodynamics and fluid dynamics, and how things move through the air, about the certain size of rocket nozzles, and thrust. But that's not science, that's just a formula.
Ummmm, what? How does he think humans figured out those formulas?

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Following his jump, he said he's going to announce his plans to leap into the race for governor of California. No joke.
If he survives, that is.

crocoduck_hunter 22 November 2017 10:39 PM

Given his stated distrust for science, I can't see him as actually calculating everything correctly in order to get the thing put together in a way so that it won't catastrophically fail when he attempts to use it.

Also, steam at that pressure is scary, scary stuff.

WildaBeast 22 November 2017 11:01 PM

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Last edited by E. Q. Taft; 22 November 2017 at 03:30 PM. Reason: Better story
That one's behind a pay wall, at least for me, however. Maybe I just read too many Washington Post stories this month.

Just to be clear, in my last post I was quoting from the first story, here.

Also, I think it would be cool if real scientists painted their lab equipment like that. I mean, think of a microbiologist with a snazzy red and yellow paint job that said "-->RESEARCH<-- BACTERIA" on their centrifuge. <!-- / edit note -->

crocoduck_hunter 23 November 2017 12:22 AM

I've seen is speculated elsewhere that this guy really isn't a Flat Earther, he's a professional daredevil who's using Flat Earthers to fund his latest stunt (apparently it's going to be PPV streaming on his website).

E. Q. Taft 23 November 2017 01:46 AM

I wondered about that myself, considering he tried to get funding from a number of other sources unsuccessfully, before he began soliciting from the flat-earthers. If so, I hope he goes after the anti-vaxers to sponsor the next one. Then maybe the Scientologists....

Gutter Monkey 23 November 2017 01:50 AM

1,800 feet is much lower than the mountain range to the west of the Mojave. He could also hire a plane and fly much, much higher and for much, much cheaper than the alleged $20,000 he put into this project. This is just a publicity stunt so he can get some media attention in order to raise more money for his next stunt.

WildaBeast 23 November 2017 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Gutter Monkey (Post 1964911)
1,800 feet is much lower than the mountain range to the west of the Mojave. He could also hire a plane and fly much, much higher and for much, much cheaper than the alleged $20,000 he put into this project. This is just a publicity stunt so he can get some media attention in order to raise more money for his next stunt.

Good point. I was thinking earlier about how the Concorde cruised high enough that the curvature of the earth was visible. There aren't any airworthy Concordes anymore, but there are business jets that cruise higher than a typical airliner. I don't really know how much such a plane costs to fly, but I would think you could charter a Gulfstream for a couple of hours for $20,000 and have it take you up to 51,000 feet.

Ieuan ab Arthur 23 November 2017 01:18 PM

But that won't work. Everyone knows that pilots are close friends of the astronauts who conspired to fabricate the shape of the Earth. After all, most early astronauts were also pilots. It's all part of the bigger conspiracy :fish:

Ta ra 'wan,

Ieuan "High Five" ab Arthur

Richard W 23 November 2017 03:23 PM

The mountains are in on it as well. They're quite clearly trying to look as if they're not flat, in order to fool us. We know they're flat, though. Climbing them won't help.

Alarm 23 November 2017 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by crocoduck_hunter (Post 1964898)
Also, steam at that pressure is scary, scary stuff.

That's a lie put out by Big Steam...

Everyone knows steam isn't dangerous, or else why do we use saunas?

E. Q. Taft 24 November 2017 08:08 PM

This flat-Earther just postponed his plan to launch himself in a homemade rocket
 
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A California man who planned to launch himself 550 metres high on Saturday in a homemade scrap-metal rocket — in an effort to “prove” that Earth is flat — said he is postponing the experiment after he couldn’t get permission from a federal agency to do so on public land.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...-saturday.html

Can there be any doubt that the government is blocking his launch to hide THE TRUTH?!?!?!?!?

Gutter Monkey 26 November 2017 02:28 PM

Note that the lack of governmental permission wasn't the only reason the rocket flight was delayed:
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Hughes said he had originally intended to arrive in Amboy on Wednesday to start setting up the rocket. The BLM's denial, along with some technical difficulties — a motor in his modified motor home quit working for a day — threw a wrench into his plans, according to Hughes.

“I don't see [the launch] happening until about Tuesday, honestly,” he said. “It takes three days to set up. . . . You know, it's not easy because it's not supposed to be easy.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.3adc6d81f067

His motor home launch pad broke down. :lol:

Gutter Monkey 26 November 2017 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by crocoduck_hunter (Post 1964898)
Given his stated distrust for science, I can't see him as actually calculating everything correctly in order to get the thing put together in a way so that it won't catastrophically fail when he attempts to use it.

Also, steam at that pressure is scary, scary stuff.

His calculations on his previous 'experiments' were ..... less than excellent.

The first time he did a rocket jump he was relying on two parachutes to guide him safely back to earth. The parachutes were both 20 years old, one didn't open at all and the one that did open got shredded by pieces of crap flying off the rocket:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/fp2q_dKuc-c" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


Here's Mike and his very professional cameraman doing a rocket test, using a very technical and complicated firing method known as "poking it with a stick several times":
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/r0phCrgRwBM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


And just in case someone hasn't seen it, here's how his very professional support team extricated him from his crashed rocket:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/3feaiPcv6yE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
"He sounds like he's in a lot of pain. Should we call an ambulance in case he inured his spine or got a concussion?"
"Nah just haul him up, he can walk it off."

I honestly think he'll probably die if he gets into the new rocket and launches it.

BoKu 26 November 2017 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Gutter Monkey (Post 1965041)
...one didn't open at all and the one that did open got shredded by pieces of crap flying off the rocket:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/fp2q_dKuc-c" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

When I watch that video, I see a normal drogue chute deployment followed by normal main chute deployment. Looks to me like a surplus 26-foot or so canopy that pops a few panels because it's being used outside its kinetic envelope.

I gotta say some of the technical achievements are actually pretty impressive. But I agree that they will probably prove deadly.

UEL 26 November 2017 05:25 PM

Sweeeeeet Johnnnnny!

All I have to say about that.

ASL 26 November 2017 08:44 PM

I don't suppose there's a shot of him actually getting into the rocket for launch, is there?

Anyways, lord protect this rocket house and all who dwell within the rocket house and all that jazz.

Dasla 27 November 2017 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by WildaBeast (Post 1964900)
Also, I think it would be cool if real scientists painted their lab equipment like that. I mean, think of a microbiologist with a snazzy red and yellow paint job that said "-->RESEARCH<-- BACTERIA" on their centrifuge. <!-- / edit note -->

I never did that when I worked in research but when I worked as a lab assistant at a girls school, some of the girls did paint their rockets* that way. Well quite similar.
Does that help?



*We bought rocket kits for the girls as an end of year fun science activity

ChasFink 27 November 2017 01:19 PM

I'm reminded of Evel Knievel's failed attempt to jump the Snake River Canyon "on a motorcycle" - really in a rocket with wheels. After many weeks, it was announced that the failure was due to the fact that a parachute stored in an unsealed area around the engine nozzle was prematurely drawn out by the reduced pressure that forms around the rear of the rocket - said reduced pressure being something understood by any 8-year-old that ever read the basic rules of model rocket design.

Gutter Monkey 27 November 2017 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ChasFink (Post 1965089)
I'm reminded of Evel Knievel's failed attempt to jump the Snake River Canyon "on a motorcycle" - really in a rocket with wheels. After many weeks, it was announced that the failure was due to the fact that a parachute stored in an unsealed area around the engine nozzle was prematurely drawn out by the reduced pressure that forms around the rear of the rocket - said reduced pressure being something understood by any 8-year-old that ever read the basic rules of model rocket design.

The other theory is that the chute delayed prematurely because Knievel passed out and let go of the dead man's switch which controlled it. Knievel always denied it but I think his promotions manager wrote about it in his book about the event.

Knievel later beat the promotions manager unconscious with an aluminium baseball bat because of the book.

Edit: there was a great warts-and-all documentary made about Evel Knievel in 2015 called 'Being Evel', I recommend it to anyone interested in his story. He was a nasty, nasty human being.


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