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snopes 23 June 2012 07:12 AM

Apple logo
 
Comment: I recently noticed a post on facebook claiming that the Apple
computer logo is often referred to as a tribute to Alan Turing, with the
bite mark being a reference to his method of suicide. The post goes on to
say that during a British TV Show called QI, in series 1, episode 13,
Stephen Fry recounts having a conversation about it with Steve Jobs, who
basically confirmed that it was true.

Is this accurate?

diddy 23 June 2012 07:19 AM

Every indication that I have gotten is that the logo (and the company name) came from a summer where Jobs we picking apple’s at an orchard. I don’t think it has anything to do with Turing since the very first Apple logo was a depiction of Issac Newton sitting under a tree.

According to Wikipedia:
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This logo is often erroneously referred to as a tribute to Alan Turing, with the bite mark a reference to his method of suicide. Both the designer of the logo and the company deny that there is any homage to Turing in the design of the logo.
I simply don’t think Jobs would have confirmed something like this given the company officially denied the thing and given the first logo didn’t involve an Apple at all.

Source

izanami 29 October 2012 07:53 PM

IIRC Fry didn't confirm it in that episode of QI, he said that he asked Jobs about it and Jobs said that he wished it was true but it wasn't.

urbanlegendfanatic 18 March 2015 01:39 AM

I'd always heard that the name and logo was based on the Beatle's apple corps. I believed it because Steve famously liked the Beatles.

WildaBeast 24 March 2015 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by diddy (Post 1637714)
the first logo didn’t involve an Apple at all

I think there was an apple in there -- it was hanging off the tree above Newton's head.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that the bite taken out of the apple in the current logo was meant to be a play on the word "byte".

thorny locust 24 March 2015 03:07 AM

Interesting.

Based on nothing whatsoever other than my own wild guess, I had always assumed the apple was the one Eve supposedly bit into: the fruit of the tree of knowledge.

Possibly the logic of connecting this to computers, particularly net-connected computers, makes sense mostly in my own head. But it makes lots of sense there.

Dasla 28 March 2015 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by urbanlegendfanatic (Post 1865398)
I'd always heard that the name and logo was based on the Beatle's apple corps. I believed it because Steve famously liked the Beatles.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildaBeast (Post 1866052)
I think there was an apple in there -- it was hanging off the tree above Newton's head.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that the bite taken out of the apple in the current logo was meant to be a play on the word "byte".

If I thought about it at all I assumed the bite would have been to distinish it from The Beatles logo. This does not discount the bite being a play on byte. Just a thought.

BrianB 28 March 2015 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by thorny locust (Post 1866059)
Based on nothing whatsoever other than my own wild guess, I had always assumed the apple was the one Eve supposedly bit into: the fruit of the tree of knowledge.

Interesting. This is the first time I've heard this theory. However, it looks like others have thought this too. (More below.) The most common theory I have heard was this one:
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Originally Posted by Dasla (Post 1866506)
If I thought about it at all I assumed the bite would have been to distinish it from The Beatles logo.

However, the Wikipedia article that diddy linked to above led me to the article about Rob Janoff, who designed the logo, which led me to this interview with him. Some relevant quotes:
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We presented two versions of the logo. One with and one without the bite. Just in case he [Steve Jobs] thought the bite was too cute. Fortunately he went with the one that gave it the most personality with the bite.
{ snip }
the real solid reason for the stripes was that the Apple II was the first home or personal computer that could reproduce images on the monitor in color.
Here he addresses the rumors that he was influenced by the Biblical story of Eve or Isaac Newton observing an apple falling:
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They are really interesting, but I'm afraid it didn't have a thing to do with it.
{ snip }
And, they are all BS. It's a wonderful urban legend. Somebody starts it and then people go "oh yeah, that must be it".
{ snip }
Well, I'm probably the least religious person, so Adam and Eve didn't have anything to do with it. The bite of knowledge sounds fabulous, but that's not it.
Here he addresses the false rumors about Alan Turing:
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So, I heard one of the legends being that the colored logo was an homage to him. People think I did the colored stripes because of the gay flag.
Then he gives the real reasons:
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But I'll tell you. I designed it with a bite for scale, so people get that it was an apple not a cherry. Also it was kind of iconic about taking a bite out of an apple. Something that everyone can experience.
Quote:

Originally Posted by WildaBeast (Post 1866052)
I seem to recall reading somewhere that the bite taken out of the apple in the current logo was meant to be a play on the word "byte".

He even addresses the bite/byte theory:
Quote:

It was after I designed it that my creative director told me: "Well you know, there is a computer term called byte". And I was like: "You're kidding!" So, it was like perfect, but it was coincidental that it was also a computer term. At the time I had to be told everything about basic computer terms.
He goes on to say that he didn't even use a computer until the Mac came out.

Brian

mrwrite 07 December 2015 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildaBeast (Post 1866052)
I seem to recall reading somewhere that the bite taken out of the apple in the current logo was meant to be a play on the word "byte".

From the book "Accidental Millionaire" (1988) by Lee Butcher.
Janov [sic.] started with the idea of an apple with a bite taken out of one side. The bite, to him, was symbolic of bits and bytes, and Jobs agreed.
I include it in this discussion, as a source that help spread the rumor. Butcher got a few details wrong in his book. Butcher also writes, for example, "Job also wanted a one year warranty on the computer when the rest of the industry guaranteed them for only three months. ... In the end, he won the argument and had his way."

The Apple II had a 3 months warranty. The Bell & Howell version of the Apple II had a one year warranty. (It had a black case with a Bell & Howell logo as well as the Apple II logo and was used with the learning software from Bell & Howell.)

Eoin 29 December 2015 07:56 PM

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the notion of an apple for the teacher.

diddy 29 December 2015 10:22 PM

I don't know anyone who gives their teacher an apple with a bite taken out of it.

Latiam 30 December 2015 03:59 AM

Someone gave me an apple once. What to do with it becomes an issue. There are very few kids I will accept spontaneous food from.

Do you think the aforementioned link between apples and the tree of knowledge is the reason for "An apple for the teacher?" I've always wondered why an apple.

GenYus234 30 December 2015 02:24 PM

I always figured it was because apples were pretty common, relatively cheap, and are generally picked around the start of a fall school session.

ETA: And because it is kind of a treat. I mean, you could give your teacher an ear of corn, but that's more of a staple.

thorny locust 30 December 2015 03:19 PM

I think it's more likely to be that apples were very common in the USA, and probably other northern hemisphere countries; and that they keep well. Therefore, even in say the 1800's, they'd be a lot more accessible to most children in those areas during the school year than other fruits would have been.'

However, this is also off the top of my head.


ETA: partly spanked by GenYus. I should refresh threads before posting . . .

Simply Madeline 30 December 2015 03:46 PM

This discussion got me wondering and googling gave me this result:

Why Do Students Give Teachers Apples and More from the Fruit’s Juicy Past

thorny locust 30 December 2015 04:16 PM

From the article:

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the apple cements its place in the patriotic foods pantheon despite its dodgy past
During most of that past, hard cider wasn't considered to be dodgy, let alone unpatriotic.

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George Washington even served up 144 gallons of hard cider during his first successful campaign bid to the Virginia House of Burgesses in 1758. John Adams drank cider for breakfast when he was serving as president. Cider’s popularity and association as the drink of “everyday Americans” reached its zenith in 1840 when William Henry Harrison was elected president, having run on a “log cabin and hard cider” platform that resonated with voters.

sanfrandude 20 January 2016 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snopes (Post 1637711)
Comment: I recently noticed a post on facebook claiming that the Apple
computer logo is often referred to as a tribute to Alan Turing, with the
bite mark being a reference to his method of suicide. The post goes on to
say that during a British TV Show called QI, in series 1, episode 13,
Stephen Fry recounts having a conversation about it with Steve Jobs, who
basically confirmed that it was true.

Is this accurate?

From his biography: Jobs had just come back from an apple farm, and thought the name sounded “fun, spirited and not intimidating.”

Nothing mentioned about Turing, then again it could've been and he wanted to put a more positive PR spin on it for the biography *puts on tinfoil hat*


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