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Eddylizard 27 March 2010 05:36 AM

IIRC technically a majority stake is 51%.

But if there are a number of other stockeholders all of which individually own less than 20% then you have a good chance of carrying the vote your way at an AGM or EGM. A lot of small stockholders don't even bother attending or voting in these, and some of the others might agree with you.

snakeseare 27 March 2010 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Roadsterboy (Post 1186737)
I'd be happy if the Fiat/Chrysler hookup would finally enable me to buy a new Alfa Romeo. And if I could afford to buy such a thing in the first place.

-RB

Alfa makes plenty of cars that are no more expensive than Ford or Chevy. And they are lauded as nice cars. The problem is that depreciation is horrendous. That's the situation in Europe at any rate. In the US, Alfa is still a mystique marque, as your post suggests, instead of just another badge making mostly sedans with a reputation for Italian reliability, as they are in Europe. I drove an Alfa around the Hockenheimring in 1987. It was greatly inferior to the old ragged-out Ford Taunus (yes, Taunus) I was driving at the time.

All that aside, Chrysler needs to die. There are no worse cars, from an engineering standpoint, being made in the world today. I've driven quite enough to know they are junk, including the rental PT Cruiser with 11k miles that I thought was going to throw a halfshaft. I returned it,and was given a replacement, and told they got that complaint all the time. The new one, with 8k on the clock, had the same vibration, just to a lesser extent. If that had been my only experience with Chrysler (lack of) quality, I would not be bothering with this post, but I had previously rented a Neon that was equally appalling, and driven a company-provided New Yorker for an extended period. I gave the New Yorker back and bought a 15-year-old VW which was more reliable and nicer to drive. Handy hint: when your flagship luxury sedan can't compete with an econobox 10 years older, you suck.

The VW in question:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...l/GTICreek.jpg

Oh, and the ragged-out Ford Taunus:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ol/Taunus1.jpg

Jay Temple 28 March 2010 03:50 AM

Whether it's true or not, I thought the "Cash for Clunkers" program would have been a much better idea if the cash could only be used to buy from one of the American automakers that were in trouble. As Fred Armisen said in character as President Obama, "[It} did wonders for the economy ... of Japan."

Eddylizard 28 March 2010 04:18 AM

Do you even know though if your car ostensibly from a US company was actually made in the US?

My current car is a Vauxhaull - amongst the biggest of the UK's mass production car companies. Scratch a little deep into the facts and it was made almost entirely in France.

Ford UK build engines in Wales. Most of the other components come from other European countries, and are assembled for the most part in Spain.

My old Daewoo (Korean) had components made in the US.

My old Fiat was entirely built in Poland.

The marque is no guarantee of where the jobs are going.

Roadsterboy 28 March 2010 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Eddylizard (Post 1187133)
Do you even know though if your car ostensibly from a US company was actually made in the US?

Quote:

The marque is no guarantee of where the jobs are going.
My favorite example of this is the Ford Crown Victoria/Mercury Marquis, which is made in Canada (and at one point in the 90's they contained enough local content to qualify as imported cars in the States).

-RB

crescent 28 March 2010 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Eddylizard (Post 1187133)
Do you even know though if your car ostensibly from a US company was actually made in the US?.

Kind of like my Mazda. On the door panel, my "Japanese" truck says "Made in America, by Ford".

If 'they' were to order us to buy Ford or GM to pay back the money Ford never borrowed in the first place, could I buy a Mazda?

Eddylizard 28 March 2010 05:14 AM

Kind of like Honda have an assembly plant in Swindon UK - though it has had some rough times recently.

firefighter_raven 28 March 2010 02:49 PM

Or my Toyota Tacoma that was made in the US. Always found it amusing being told I should of bought "American" by people driving their Canadian made Ford truck.

Don Enrico 29 March 2010 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Temple (Post 1187125)
Whether it's true or not, I thought the "Cash for Clunkers" program would have been a much better idea if the cash could only be used to buy from one of the American automakers that were in trouble. As Fred Armisen said in character as President Obama, "[It} did wonders for the economy ... of Japan."


Apart from "American" cars not necessarily being build in America (as others pointed out), and "foreign" cars being build in America (Toyota runs several manufacturing plants in the US, having build more than 16 million cars there), what's wrong with saving jobs in the import industrie, the seaports, long distance transport and car resale? All of these industries profit from buying imported cars.

Don Enrico

Dr. Winston O'Boogie 30 March 2010 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by babyshoes (Post 1186548)
I had completely forgotten that song! Time for an iTunes search...I'm introducing my children to the joys of what Mommy listened to way back when. :lol:

(showing my age a bit here) I remember the Muppets doing a version of that with drunk hunters going after small furry creatures. I might have to search You Tube for that when I get home (You Tube is blocked at work).

BoKu 30 March 2010 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BoKu (Post 1186490)
I did loop the hoses as a temporary fix. But around here it's still a bit on the chilly side to try to go without at least a little heat.

OT: I did change that heater core this weekend. It was not a big job, just a bunch of small jobs stacked on each other.

But you do have to take out a few things to do it...

http://www.hpaircraft.com/neon/100_2344a.JPG

HelloLlama 04 April 2010 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by firefighter_raven (Post 1187229)
Or my Toyota Tacoma that was made in the US. Always found it amusing being told I should of bought "American" by people driving their Canadian made Ford truck.

Ford F-150s (the vehicle comparable to the Tacoma) are made in Dearborn and Kansas City. So, no, they are not Canadian made. If you are going to use this argument, at least make it using a vehicle assembled outside of the US.

firefighter_raven 04 April 2010 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by HelloLlama (Post 1191299)
Ford F-150s (the vehicle comparable to the Tacoma) are made in Dearborn and Kansas City. So, no, they are not Canadian made. If you are going to use this argument, at least make it using a vehicle assembled outside of the US.

You mean like my former coworkers crew cab that was made around '03 before they shifted the truck manufacturing from Oakville,Ontario, Canada to Dearborn?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_F-Series Half way down the page under tenth generation, little box on the right under assembly plant.

AnglRdr 04 April 2010 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by snakeseare (Post 1186770)
All that aside, Chrysler needs to die. There are no worse cars, from an engineering standpoint, being made in the world today. I've driven quite enough to know they are junk, including the rental PT Cruiser with 11k miles that I thought was going to throw a halfshaft. I returned it,and was given a replacement, and told they got that complaint all the time. The new one, with 8k on the clock, had the same vibration, just to a lesser extent. If that had been my only experience with Chrysler (lack of) quality, I would not be bothering with this post, but I had previously rented a Neon that was equally appalling, and driven a company-provided New Yorker for an extended period.

My experience has been exactly the opposite. I had an LHS and have a Pacifica, and had zero problems with either. They are the most comfortable vehicles I have ever driven or ridden in and happily recommend them to others.

Mileages obviously vary.

crescent 04 April 2010 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HelloLlama (Post 1191299)
Ford F-150s (the vehicle comparable to the Tacoma) are made in Dearborn and Kansas City. So, no, they are not Canadian made. If you are going to use this argument, at least make it using a vehicle assembled outside of the US.

I thought the Ford Ranger was the equivalent of the Tacoma? The F-150 would be equivalent to the Tundra.

As I stated previously, my Mazda truck basically a Ford Ranger, and was made in America.

HelloLlama 05 April 2010 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by firefighter_raven (Post 1191314)
You mean like my former coworkers crew cab that was made around '03 before they shifted the truck manufacturing from Oakville,Ontario, Canada to Dearborn?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_F-Series Half way down the page under tenth generation, little box on the right under assembly plant.

Well, referring to the OP, if the government required you to buy a new American Made car, it wouldn't be a 2003 model, now, would it? :)

Crescent, you're right. I was confusing the Tacoma with the Tundra. But, as you said, the Ranger/Mazda B-series trucks are currently made in America.


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